December 4th update - HB1130 created

Setting: You are in an imaginary world in the near future where granite staters actually get to vote on secession, instead of their leaders making the choice for them. Despite the media and the establishment hating the idea, polls show 66+% support, 2 months out from the vote. Then a group of “White Supremacists” (They all have matching boots and no one knows where they came from or live) are setting fire to govt buildings and cop cars, chanting “NH Exit” Make NH free now!" “We are free staters”, you get the idea. Do you think this will negatively effect secession chances?

Add to that the Feds start a disinformation campaign that claims that not only will NH banks not be able to do business in the US, US banks won’t be able to do business in NH, all govt checks, including Soc Sec will be discontinued to “traitors” and every other dastardly lie they can concoct. Do you think that will negatively effect NH’s chances?

Basically, what I am saying is that they fight dirty, and we fight fair and that lowers the already abysmal chances that NH has for secession. But I am certainly wide open to arguments to the contrary.

BTW, I have been to multiple microstates Lichtenstein, San Marino, Vatican and Andorra, excepting ZEDEs in Honduras, if their was border security, it was always staffed by the larger state on the way out, not the little one on the way in. The US could, and likely would, make it very difficult to leave NH. Expect the airport to close and that tiny bit of seashore to be blockaded.

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Response by L.A. on forum.shiresociety.com in the NHexit section:

First, I don’t think the “White Supremacists” would be a problem.
We currently have means to deal with such violence, and if we
became our own country, we could have even stricter means
of dealing with it.

Second, this and all the actions that might be taken by the US
government, if predicted ahead of time, might well galvanize
the citizens of NH to move ahead with secession.

We already have problems getting out of NH sometimes.
Do you remember the backup at the Canadian border a
few years ago? Do you remember the travel restrictions
in many states against going outside the state of residence.
I think that if the US tried to blockade entry and exit, by
any means, that there would be a real rebellion, with
much violence.

We still have a border with Quebec… Quebec has its
own secession movement.

Anything the US government would attempt would
very likely backfire on them, I think.

When the founding fathers were trying to draft a
constitution, the commerce clause was included
largely because of NH. NH got around the blockades
set up by the official muckety-mucks, and smuggled
goods through Canada.

One way or another, NH would survive, and even prosper,
moreso because of the actions of the US than just
because we could do it anyway.

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Another response:

These are all settings I think will happen.

I was discussing with Riley Blake, 2 weeks ago, the idea that they will send in Black Flag White Supr. to NH to make us look bad. I think it would happen way before we get months from a vote. I guess we are not far enough along to trigger that one.

I think the Dems. will start getting really dirty if one of our bills passes the house or gets recommended by a committee.

I think the Repubs. will get really dirty if it gets a little farther, so both of those are somewhere down the road.

Feds attacking us in the press, or causing banking problems would probably come later. We might get the full Russian treatment, while they say we are working for Putin.

I think you are right that they will fight dirty, and that each tactic will work very well and set us back each time. If we are successful, we will have to weather all of these obstacles to public opinion.

-Russell Kanning, NHexit.org

BTW, I agree about the borders and the airport, although the US might not blockade us in our port.

https://forum.shiresociety.com/t/future/13431

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